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About a year ago I collected a bunch of demographic data sets about this subject for a class project on endocrine disrupting chemicals. Along with the average ages of menarche and thelarche(budding of breast tissue) decreasing we also have rapidly increasing numbers of highly precocious puberty(as early as 6year-olds, sometimes), and increasing prevalence of every kind of disease that is linked to hormone disruption in women. There are literally hundreds of biochemical systems in women’s bodies that are regulated by the same hormones that govern sexual development. There has also been nearly 4 decades of 1% per year decline in age-adjusted testosterone levels for men. Obviously, this decrease also goes with all sorts of health issues like a decrease in overall immunity, strength, bone density, muscle mass, sperm count, and just an overall shittier health. Not all of the data is demographic either, but demographic data establishes a widespread phenomenon. There is just as much chemical analysis and lab testing data to establish direct causal links between pollutant levels, hormone disruption, developmental issues in different animal species and also behavioral patterns associated with the hormone levels.

Can people reading here grasp just how many different kinds of social impact all of these chemical changes must be having? Your hormonal health directly affects every major decision in your life, both directly and indirectly. An early thelarche causing lifelong sexual trauma and making more women distrust and dislike men in general is just barely scratching the surface, in my opinion. This is not even to mention the many social causes exacerbating many of the hormonal disruptions, like lowered paternal involvement directly reducing age of menarche.

Putting together that project (with input from many mentors that are a lot more learned than I am) was the most devastatingly depressing experiences I have ever had in my life. Most professors, scientific researchers and engineers I have mentioned this data to are either already aware of it or are not particularly surprised by it. I have felt like an absolute lunatic as I try to explain to people twice my age, people who have multiple degrees in chemistry, medicine, or other STEM subjects, why this data has unbelievably far reaching consequences and why they should take it more seriously. I have tried and almost entirely failed at this so far. Perhaps I really am a lunatic and don’t know what I am talking about here, but there is never any convincing argument to the contrary to all the concerns I have raised. My argument is mainly based on the chemistry and the clear demographic data on the subject, which no one has denied. The best counter I got so far was- “well if it was such a major issue then wouldn’t there be a lot more noise about it? Since no one is talking about it it must not be that big of an issue”. I will put together another “lunatic” essay about it on my Substack soon-ish(I am in the middle of exams) for anyone wanting to read it, but frankly I don’t have a lot of hope that anything will be done about it, since the people that are best placed to do anything about it seem not to be bothered at all.

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Every study I've seen, and simple observation, tells me that girls hit puberty earlier now merely because of increased adiposity. They're fatter. And you don't need to be actually "fat" but even normal sized kids these days are generally much softer than they used to be. Before roughly the 80s and 90s, teenagers were almost universally rail thin. Like, REALLY skinny by today's standards.

The women in my family are all tall and slim with basically the same body type. My older sister looked like a literal skeleton when she was 13, in the 80s. I looked skinny but not like a skeleton, in the 90s. Our mom looked like a concentration camp victim at 13, in the 60s. My sister's daughter, born in the 2000s, looked slim but not at all skinny, and she definitely had softness. I know lots of teenagers who are more plump than their parents, which basically didn't exist in the past.

I also think pre adolescent and adolescent girls have been getting hit on by adult men for all of history and that's nothing new. I was a super late bloomer and got my period and developed way after my friends, around 14. Regardless of that fact and being totally flat chested, I STILL had friends dads and strange men on the street leering and saying disgusting things to me, and was trapped in a corner and molested by two older boys at a public pool. My mom has similar tales from the 50s and 60s, and like I said, she resembled a blonde concentration camp victim with zero boobs, and it still happened. I don't think these things are new, they just weren't talked about previously. And yes of course a teenage girl with big gravity defying boobs is going to get it all the worse.

Btw, women absolutely DO consider that their own fathers are disgusting pigs just like their friend's dad and their math teacher and their uncle and their neighbor...but the thought is so horrifying and profoundly upsetting and depressing to think about that it's best to put it out of your mind, because what else can you do? I mean how exactly do you think it would have made you feel if you found out in junior high that your mom was likely furiously masturbating to 13 year old boys? And so was everyone else's mom? Like wtf do you do with that information??

Anyway, I appreciate your concern with and interest in the issue. I do disagree that it's environmental beyond just increased levels of adiposity. And I disagree that it's the stating and harassment from men (virtually all adult men, not much of an issue with boys your own age). Ask literally any woman alive, even 75 year olds, and they will tell you they were cat called and harassed more from age 13 to 17 than any other age.

Personally I think it's bc of porn and women now having to know exactly what guys are watching and getting off to...every guy, all the time. It's another thing you really can't deal with other than just choosing to not think of it. Before the 90s, this was something most women were ignorant of or could easily avoid. Before the 70s, it didn't even exist. Now, you can't help but know about it and know exactly how absolutely fucking depraved it is, and it's every guy everywhere all the time. That is an enormous difference in a few decades, and profoundly psychologically unsettling for women/girls. I'm surprised they're not ALL asexual/lesbians whatever.

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