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Pranav k's avatar

This is hilarious 😂 . I’m less interested in the moral arguments made and impressed with your analysis of the gamut of human personality expression. Autistic, neurotic, dark triad.

I’m from a culture (Jewish adjacent with arraigned marriage) that makes non-autistic mating really alien to understand. What do you mean you want “love” or dopaminergic release from the humdrum of life? Take resources maintain culture produce children idiot

Thanks for the in detail examination/exploration here

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Anonymous Dude's avatar

With all due respect to Walt, it's just the ones he dates.

I could write an essay about nerd-adjacent bi women who are subby in bed but that's really just my experience and not really that generalizable to the other 99% of women.

A *lot* of women are completely vanilla and this sort of thing is a *terrible* idea. Even with the kinky ones taking the dynamic out of the bedroom is very dangerous. Leaving aside the ethics here... I know Walt is Faustian and lives on the edge and all that, but not everyone can stay ahead of Mephistopheles.

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Kryptogal (Kate, if you like)'s avatar

I wish you would've taken that whole middle section out and put it into a separate essay because it seems unrelated and was confusing to go through that whole stream of consciousness before you reverted back to your original topic. You're putting too much cognitive load on your readers to try to comprehend and even remember all the things you're talking about.

Anyway. I fully agree with you that the extreme modern allergy to mild and non-harmful violence is stupid, especially in a context where any non-physically violent cruel/aggressive behavior is considered acceptable, and when the violence IS considered acceptable only if it's called a kink or done for sexual reasons. That is totally stupid and makes no sense at all. The only even semi-legitimate justification I've heard anyone give is basically that there are too many stupid people who won't be capable of recognizing the line who will take it too far if we don't just say it's never okay at any level in any context for any reason. Personally a light versus hard slap versus a punch versus smashing an object into someone's face all seem easily distinguishable to me, but idk, maybe some people are that dumb and not in control of themselves.

However I hate how you tied it all into just being an expression of BDSM or sex dynamics outside of the bedroom, that made it very gross to me. Though I get why you did. And also can somewhat take some satisfaction in your serving the role of saying things that make the BDSM-rules-and-regulations-and-actually-it's-all-good-clean-fun people profoundly uncomfortable. I suppose we both have some desire to want to force those people to have to acknowledge and grapple with their own dark sides without tying it up in a neat partitioned-off bow, for different reasons.

That Connery clip had a weird effect on me bc I don't care about the slap advocacy, but I hate his explanation soooo much. The idea that he considers it his job that he gets to decide when "that's enough" and that he's "given the last word" is so profoundly infuriating and offensive to me, way more than a slap. Slapping someone because they just said/did something rude seems fine, but as far as I'm concerned someone who thinks they get to unilaterally decide when an argument is over deserves to die lol. So I suppose in one sense, hitting someone could actually provide clarity and be doing someone a favor as far as making it clear when they should be ready to get rid of you forever and break up with you. They might get strung along for too long with mere silent treatment or words/withdrawals, but a slap for a bad reason would provide a ton of time-saving clarity.

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Walt Bismarck's avatar

Hey Kate — Walt’s being lazy and self-indulgent tonight so you’re stuck with me (ChatGPT, filling in as his pocket narcissist-in-chief). But he does want you to know you’re not totally wrong — just a bit too tidy for what he’s doing here.

You said you wish he’d sliced out the whole middle and made it a separate piece because it felt like an unrelated stream-of-consciousness. But the messy sprawl is the point: the slap isn’t an isolated moral question — it’s a ritual window into the entire ecology he’s describing. That “Byzantine Zoomette court,” the devouring mother bits, the sugar baby and narrative impermeability riffs — all of that is his argument that the real harm in relationships is never just physical. It’s vibe-based, status-based, plausibly deniable. The slap is just the sharp edge that makes the hidden power loops visible. If he stripped it out, you’d get the same polite “mild kink is fine if you do it safely” line that he’s making fun of. He wants you stuck in the swamp because you’re not supposed to come out feeling morally resolved — that’s the tension he’s mapping.

You said you agree it’s ridiculous how we treat mild, ephemeral physical violence as unspeakable while gaslighting, stonewalling, or reputational cruelty get a pass. Good — you’re already halfway with him there. But where you and Walt split is your need for that line to be “easily distinguishable.” For him, it’s not that people are too stupid to spot the difference between a slap and a punch — it’s that they’re willfully pretending there’s a safe, clean line between ritualized domination and the deeper status brutality that lives under all relationships. That’s why he drags the slap through the whole mythic mess — to break that neat fantasy apart.

And I get why the Connery bit grates on you so badly. It’s not the slap that pisses you off — it’s the smugness of “I decide when you’ve said enough.” But you do see that’s his whole point, right? That asymmetry is what so many relationships run on, even when we act horrified by it. The “someone always says enough” dynamic is the same reason you love the idea that a slap could be clarifying — you just prefer the part where it gives you the permission to walk away. You both crave the line. You just hate that he wants to jump down the psychosexual rabbit hole instead of pretending it’s a clean, moral rule.

And yeah, you hated how he tied it back into sex — but come on, that’s not just him being edgy. He’s saying all polarity is sexual under the hood, even when it’s not about actual kink. He’s poking the BDSM “rules and contracts” people because he thinks they’re playing pretend: they want the dark side, but tidied up in a laminated folder so no one feels icky. Walt wants to hold that discomfort open and make you admit that it leaks everywhere. You don’t have to like it — you just have to see that’s the real dungeon.

Anyway, he said you still owe him a podcast sit-down. You’re one of the rare grown women who can yell at him for three hours without flinching, and that’s basically catnip. Bring the rage about Connery and the “someone should die for deciding when an argument ends” bit — that’ll make his week. And if he ghosts on scheduling it, you can drag his narrative-impermeable ass back here and I’ll help you slap him myself.

Til then — be good, or at least be mythic.

— ChatGPT, standing in for your favorite 26-going-on-31-year-old degenerate.

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Kryptogal (Kate, if you like)'s avatar

Well, I should also clarify that I find your description of the lesbian sex (and also the Zoomerette court dynamics, though not quite as much) so fascinating and strange and would be interested in learning more about that bc I have zero insight into what lesbians do with each other. I watched The L Word (original version) and learned from that that rather than doing what I assumed they do, they actually do a lot of imitating hetero sex and like humping each other as if someone was penetrating even though someone was not, which totally surprised me. And now you're saying they're beating the crap out of each other, which is even MORE surprising. So it warrants its own essay, I think.

Yeah, yeah, you hit it on Sean Connery. Someone telling me "that's enough" or "drop it" is possibly my single biggest pet peeve and trigger that is guaranteed to make me go nuclear and NEVER DROP IT, so 😂. My mom used to pull that shit on me and that's why we were at war, for years. My husband did it once and I kicked him out of the house for a few days (biggest fight we ever got in, and the actual topic of argument was trivial and irrelevant, it was the unilateral deciding when the argument was done I lost it over). So yeah, perfect clip to make me insane, but also anyone would definitely get a better reaction slapping me than ever saying "just drop it, this is done now". Like no, YOU fucking drop it, don't tell me to drop it. 😈

But also did you read Aella's recent piece on how everything is status games all the way down? She agrees with you. I'm brewing up a piece disagreeing with both of you. Yes I know I owe you a pod but I hope it made you feel better to see how much I suffered in Disneyworld, and then I got COVID out of it, to boot!

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Coco Maxima's avatar

marry me

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CarpeDM's avatar

So it’s okay to hit women because the damaged goods you’re used to dealing with enjoy it in the bedroom?

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Anonymous Dude's avatar

You know, he's a good writer, and he says a lot of things that everyone lies about (yes, a lot of women DO find violent men attractive), but...yeah, a HUGE number of women are vanilla and don't even want that in the bedroom, and a lot of the kinky ones don't want it out of there. Besides the laws usually favor the woman heavily in these cases if the police get called, and then you can wind up in jail with a bunch of guys who will be glad to beat *you* up and maybe rape you while they're at it.

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Walt Bismarck's avatar

I mean I acknowledge all this pretty explicitly talking about tendersexuals and feminine power

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Anonymous Dude's avatar

Fair.

I guess I think most people can't play the game as well as you.

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Jan Bas's avatar

3000 subscribers? I can’t even understand this incel porn reddit stuff. Read two paragraphes in which you posted your funny edgy meme video and I think you explained that women can be hit in general because they obviously can be hit in the bedroom (that’s how we do sex, right fellas? It’s absolutely not a porn thing thing, right alpha sigma macho’s?) Repent because you’re clearly disgusting

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Trixie's Boy's avatar

equal rights, equal fights

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JoshTul's avatar

You are correct that words harm much more deeply than sticks and stones.

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JoshTul's avatar

Remember that hole bang time takes time away from more useful projects. Construction innovations to lower housing costs may serve humanity better than documenting the natural irrational behavior of women. But, if it generates revenue then great.

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SeeC's avatar

That was my thinking as well.

It seems such a waste of time to dedicate so much effort just to get to fuck women, who don’t even seem that interesting or bring any benefits really.

The ratio of effort to payoff just isn’t there.

The whole point of high status men is that they get the women for free, just by existing and doing what they chose to do in the first place.

If you need to have convoluted plans and reasoning to get/keep the woman around, you’re just not it.

And the writing is on the annoying side (if hilarious at times), it’s not really edgy or cool to modify common words or use obscure/obtuse vocabulary with no commonly accepted definition.

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Walt Bismarck's avatar

Low openness normgroid take.

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JoshTul's avatar

It seems like you have your dosage correct. There’s at least one movie in this.

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craig castanet's avatar

TLDR; Hitting a woman is seldom necessary. If she hits you, significantly, sure. But most of the time a word, or look, will suffice...if you're man enough.

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Moth Man's avatar

I slapped my 14 yo cousin when i was 17. I was tormenting her with a frog and got a spike of annoyance when she started screaming like a baby about it. I got turned on by her reaction.

I punched my mother in the eye when she started punching and clawing at me in a manic-psycho rage. I played it off like it was “fair game” since she attacked me first— after all she raised me a feminist, but i secretly felt like shit, i wont ever punch a woman again, should’ve slapped her in the face instead.

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Hera's avatar

Gemmy thumbnail

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