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sunshine moonlight's avatar

Speaking as a mixed person, I don't think non-black mixed people usually identify as white. The incentives still push people to identify as non-white because white is seen as boring and unexotic as well as lacking in a desirable subculture. Even people who have one Hispanic parent and look as white as Siberian winter often try to claim minority status. Nonetheless, this kind of identification seems mostly non-political and more of just a claim of belonging to an exotic subculture.

Also not sure that black genes are phenotypically dominant. Society just tends to notice less common features more easily. When you see photos of Obama with his father, you can easily tell Obama's mixed. It's just that black features stand out more in a majority-white country like the US.

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I wonder if you're downplaying how demographic shifts will alter the relationship between Blacks and the rest of the country. Other non-Blacks don't carry the same cultural baggage as Whites, and often straightforwardly resent them (Hispanics/Boat People Asians), or are literally afraid of them (new Asians). People talk about White flight all the time, but I've literally never in my life seen an East Asian or Indian in an inner-city neighborhood, even just walking around.

You're implicitly assuming that non-White immigrants will basically imbibe the Black-White relationship as they assimilate and become "White," in the same way the descendants of the Irish/Italian/Germans immigrants did, despite their having nothing to do with slavery.

This might prove true, and you see it among elite 2nd-generation Asians as they try to embody elite White culture. But even these people do not retain the same level of visceral discomfort discussing Blacks you see among Whites.

As it stands now, non-Whites are often the most explicitly racist against Blacks, partly because they have more social permission, but also because they are more accustomed to thinking straightforwardly in racialized terms. Note that every MENA immigrant is coming from a culture that is fiercely tribal, every Eastern European and East Asian immigrant is coming from a literal ethnostate, and every Indian immigrant comes from a caste system within an ethnostate within an ethnostate. A lot of these folks simply have zero moral hang-ups about in-group preference and ethnic nepotism.

It might be selection bias given your politics, but notice that your three choices exemplifying "new Whites," Hanania, Anna, and Fuentes, are among the three most prominent WN or WN-adjacent intellectuals today. It's a meme that modern WN is full of Hispanics and Arabs, but this simply demonstrates the fact that non-Europeans are just way more comfortable thinking in terms of identity.

All this to say that if immigration continues, I wouldn't be surprised to see a future coalition of "new Whites" and conservative "old Whites" that is willing to crack down on crime and affirmative action among Blacks in a way normie "old Whites" are simply uncomfortable doing or even talking about.

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