This is not a "racial" issue. In my experience, Indian immigrants do not seem meaningfully different from elite Westerners of the classical era. The Brahmin Question is best described as the sudden intrusion of large numbers of Apollonians into a Faustian civilization. I firmly believe that if H1B positions were to be staffed via time machine and tech companies started filling their entry-level position with ancient Romans, the habits and culture of such programming patricians would lead to the same sorts of tensions one sees with Indians today. When one begins to examine Indian civilization, it starts looking more and more like some alternate version of the West in which monotheism was never adopted, and in which the prevailing religion was instead derived from the Iliad and the Odyssey. In my experience, Indians rarely enter the more physical fields of engineering, and I believe their Apollonian worldview could be part of the reason for this. It seems that among the elite classes of India, the Roman concept of otium, or an elevated state of educated lesiure, is alive and well. While they certainly value and appreciate the technical advances of the West, many would prefer having servants perform tasks which are usually mechanized here. For example, one Indian friend I know had never washed his own clothes or cooked his own food before living in the United States. Therefore, it would probably be wise for Indians who enjoy the West to consider more physically embodied engineering careers in lieu of software development. The forces of digital involution are particularly perilous for them. However, I predict this tension between Indians and Westerners will decline as younger generations begin to appreciate the blessings of Faustian civilization ...
You'd probably need an honest anti-Indian sort to clarify why Indians are so viscerally repulsive to virtually everyone - including Indians. Because they are, objectively.
Canadians, famed for being back-breakingly apologetic and "nice", are on the brink of pogroms over Indian incursion - all within just a few short years. That isn't because of mere aesthetics or normal competition - it's a primal and spiritual repulsion to these invasive alien hominids.
While I respect your right to express your deep feelings (that are clearly well-reasoned) for all to celebrate, I'm not sure you've thereby earned the privilege of using the word "honest".
Indians appear to want to participate in Western culture but not fully assimilate at the same time. There's a constant push-pull with them socially and a lot of inability to know where we stand with each other. East Asians frequently want nothing to do with us, so nothing to complain about, really.
> Are East Asians less annoying because of their secularism and state-driven rejection of traditionalism? Were Asians just as despised prior to WW2?
Yes, just ask the Exclusion Act
> Why Indians are like Bug Pokémon—Indian culture can’t be compartmentalized or easily flattened into something legible to westerners a la Chinese culture; to understand India at all a Whiteboi kind of just has to become an India Guy
> Walter contends that Indian-Americans need to make more cultural products with the deliberate goal of making wypipo familiar with their culture
> Walt argues that Hindus in the West can play an essential role in helping wypipo rekindle a more embodied connection with our own pagan past (speaking of shout out to Sai Ψ for teaching me that Hermes is not, in fact, a small blue Jewish man)
Honestly this: "helping wypipo rekindle a more embodied connection with our own pagan past" - > is probably the closest they can get to "cultural products with the deliberate goal of making wypipo familiar with their culture".
I actually legit think Indian-Americans would turn into "Democrat-voting Americans with different skin" faster before wypipo does start to fully understand Indian culture
> Rajeev says Indians are resistant to cultural indoctrination against Anglo society compared to Chinese, Japanese and Korean society
Nah, the logic is kind of different.
Chinese, Japanese, and Korean diaspora want to imitate white Democrats, and it is deliberate.
Why?
1. Traditional Confucianism is actually low status to them nowadays. They are associated with the Ming Dynasty, and they fall
2. A LOT of the East Asian diaspora are basically the entrepreneur type because the OG Chinese, Korean, and Japanese are more statist in nature (think bureaucrat-scholars). Entrepreneurship is usually more for people who failed the civil service exam etc, and were rejected by the statism of their original area.
3. No, the CCP DOES NOT recognize the Chinese diaspora or something like that.
They don't even recognize Hong Kongers as Chinese, let alone Chinese diaspora
So now you can pick:
a. Would you want to be associated with Islam, basically "brown terrorist religion" or whatever
Or
b. Would you want to be associated with the West which right now has the highest GDP and shit?
No joke, they imitate everything: The performative Christianity but combined with "Democrats shit" and more
And yes it is Democrats. Not Republicans - because Republicans are low status and ALL American soft power is Democrat run
> Honestly this: "helping wypipo rekindle a more embodied connection with our own pagan past" - > is probably the closest they can get to "cultural products with the deliberate goal of making wypipo familiar with their culture".
You realize how this lowers the reputation of the white man to an incredible degree, no?
Like, the white man loves to claim to be the most superior, intelligent, strongest, most technically advanced person on the planet. Faustian par excellence.
And, yet, somehow he remains fundamentally incapable of learning, in a real way, the basic ins and outs of Vedic culture?
Going to the moon in a rocketship is no problem, apparently, but learning enough Sanskrit to understand the basic psychology of an ancient civilization is impossible?
A handshake takes two hands.
If Indians are expected to integrate into global Anglo norms (which we have, in various degrees, despite our incredible resistance to colonization), then what are we allowed to expect in return in terms of camaraderie and understanding from the Anglo?
I'm talking understanding at scale. I'm not talking about professors or someone like Benedict Anderson understanding Indian culture.
I'm talking mass intuitive understanding. That's huge and hard without making the Indian culture sounds patronizing and insulting.
Also, BTW, I'm Indonesian. We are different, but I do know what Walt means by "It's actually very hard to teach the white man about what is fundamentally a Dharmic culture & civilization to an Abrahamic civilization".
My recommendation is honestly that - make the White Man understand their polytheist pagan past, I guess.
And let me clarify:
Thing is I DO WISH for the common White Man to be able to understand Indian culture easily.
My interest is if the White Man understand Indian culture it would be easier for Indonesia to deal with the US transactionally. If anything it's the Dems / the woke's inability for nuance that makes it hard to do so (Your average Republicans honestly are too "dumb", but honestly that simply means they don't bother us because they can't point where Indonesia is on a map anyway. But Dems, that's a different thing entirely).
- So far honestly places like us (yes both India and Indonesia) aren't exactly a really good place regarding communicating our deeper civilizational grammar to the general world, don't you think?
I mean you got Bollywood and shit, but like, how many of them are talking (even subtextually) about the deeper civilizational grammar and the like that we have?
Most of the time the films & content we made are basically just either cheap entertainment or soap operas (let's face it, it really is). It's not LOTR tier, not Mahabharata epic tier or shit like that.
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BTW, in America, most Indian-Americans are interested in what, business? Is there any interest in them for like, capturing Hollywood then remake Mahabharata or something (in a manner understandable to white man)?
Yeah, absolutely fair criticism. Indians do have a spiritual obligation, in my opinion, to master and express themselves through advanced media. And, at the same time, it is already happening – and still being ignored by white guys.
Read my review on my Substack of Monkey Man. I thought it did a more than adequate job explaining religious grammar while still appealing to the Western action junkie.
This is not a "racial" issue. In my experience, Indian immigrants do not seem meaningfully different from elite Westerners of the classical era. The Brahmin Question is best described as the sudden intrusion of large numbers of Apollonians into a Faustian civilization. I firmly believe that if H1B positions were to be staffed via time machine and tech companies started filling their entry-level position with ancient Romans, the habits and culture of such programming patricians would lead to the same sorts of tensions one sees with Indians today. When one begins to examine Indian civilization, it starts looking more and more like some alternate version of the West in which monotheism was never adopted, and in which the prevailing religion was instead derived from the Iliad and the Odyssey. In my experience, Indians rarely enter the more physical fields of engineering, and I believe their Apollonian worldview could be part of the reason for this. It seems that among the elite classes of India, the Roman concept of otium, or an elevated state of educated lesiure, is alive and well. While they certainly value and appreciate the technical advances of the West, many would prefer having servants perform tasks which are usually mechanized here. For example, one Indian friend I know had never washed his own clothes or cooked his own food before living in the United States. Therefore, it would probably be wise for Indians who enjoy the West to consider more physically embodied engineering careers in lieu of software development. The forces of digital involution are particularly perilous for them. However, I predict this tension between Indians and Westerners will decline as younger generations begin to appreciate the blessings of Faustian civilization ...
Brown. that's why
Nah everybody loves Indians
Speaking of syncretism, for whatever it’s worth, here’s this white guy’s Kawaii Ganesha avatar for ya.
You'd probably need an honest anti-Indian sort to clarify why Indians are so viscerally repulsive to virtually everyone - including Indians. Because they are, objectively.
Canadians, famed for being back-breakingly apologetic and "nice", are on the brink of pogroms over Indian incursion - all within just a few short years. That isn't because of mere aesthetics or normal competition - it's a primal and spiritual repulsion to these invasive alien hominids.
While I respect your right to express your deep feelings (that are clearly well-reasoned) for all to celebrate, I'm not sure you've thereby earned the privilege of using the word "honest".
Indians appear to want to participate in Western culture but not fully assimilate at the same time. There's a constant push-pull with them socially and a lot of inability to know where we stand with each other. East Asians frequently want nothing to do with us, so nothing to complain about, really.
> Are East Asians less annoying because of their secularism and state-driven rejection of traditionalism? Were Asians just as despised prior to WW2?
Yes, just ask the Exclusion Act
> Why Indians are like Bug Pokémon—Indian culture can’t be compartmentalized or easily flattened into something legible to westerners a la Chinese culture; to understand India at all a Whiteboi kind of just has to become an India Guy
> Walter contends that Indian-Americans need to make more cultural products with the deliberate goal of making wypipo familiar with their culture
> Walt argues that Hindus in the West can play an essential role in helping wypipo rekindle a more embodied connection with our own pagan past (speaking of shout out to Sai Ψ for teaching me that Hermes is not, in fact, a small blue Jewish man)
Honestly this: "helping wypipo rekindle a more embodied connection with our own pagan past" - > is probably the closest they can get to "cultural products with the deliberate goal of making wypipo familiar with their culture".
I actually legit think Indian-Americans would turn into "Democrat-voting Americans with different skin" faster before wypipo does start to fully understand Indian culture
> Rajeev says Indians are resistant to cultural indoctrination against Anglo society compared to Chinese, Japanese and Korean society
Nah, the logic is kind of different.
Chinese, Japanese, and Korean diaspora want to imitate white Democrats, and it is deliberate.
Why?
1. Traditional Confucianism is actually low status to them nowadays. They are associated with the Ming Dynasty, and they fall
2. A LOT of the East Asian diaspora are basically the entrepreneur type because the OG Chinese, Korean, and Japanese are more statist in nature (think bureaucrat-scholars). Entrepreneurship is usually more for people who failed the civil service exam etc, and were rejected by the statism of their original area.
3. No, the CCP DOES NOT recognize the Chinese diaspora or something like that.
They don't even recognize Hong Kongers as Chinese, let alone Chinese diaspora
So now you can pick:
a. Would you want to be associated with Islam, basically "brown terrorist religion" or whatever
Or
b. Would you want to be associated with the West which right now has the highest GDP and shit?
No joke, they imitate everything: The performative Christianity but combined with "Democrats shit" and more
And yes it is Democrats. Not Republicans - because Republicans are low status and ALL American soft power is Democrat run
> Honestly this: "helping wypipo rekindle a more embodied connection with our own pagan past" - > is probably the closest they can get to "cultural products with the deliberate goal of making wypipo familiar with their culture".
You realize how this lowers the reputation of the white man to an incredible degree, no?
Like, the white man loves to claim to be the most superior, intelligent, strongest, most technically advanced person on the planet. Faustian par excellence.
And, yet, somehow he remains fundamentally incapable of learning, in a real way, the basic ins and outs of Vedic culture?
Going to the moon in a rocketship is no problem, apparently, but learning enough Sanskrit to understand the basic psychology of an ancient civilization is impossible?
A handshake takes two hands.
If Indians are expected to integrate into global Anglo norms (which we have, in various degrees, despite our incredible resistance to colonization), then what are we allowed to expect in return in terms of camaraderie and understanding from the Anglo?
I'm talking understanding at scale. I'm not talking about professors or someone like Benedict Anderson understanding Indian culture.
I'm talking mass intuitive understanding. That's huge and hard without making the Indian culture sounds patronizing and insulting.
Also, BTW, I'm Indonesian. We are different, but I do know what Walt means by "It's actually very hard to teach the white man about what is fundamentally a Dharmic culture & civilization to an Abrahamic civilization".
My recommendation is honestly that - make the White Man understand their polytheist pagan past, I guess.
And let me clarify:
Thing is I DO WISH for the common White Man to be able to understand Indian culture easily.
My interest is if the White Man understand Indian culture it would be easier for Indonesia to deal with the US transactionally. If anything it's the Dems / the woke's inability for nuance that makes it hard to do so (Your average Republicans honestly are too "dumb", but honestly that simply means they don't bother us because they can't point where Indonesia is on a map anyway. But Dems, that's a different thing entirely).
> I'm talking mass intuitive understanding.
Yes, me too. I'm also not asking for miracles, but some widescale comprehension beyond total surface level appropriation is absolutely possible.
And I completely agree about the fact that Republicans are culturally much dumber and how that generally makes them safer cultural allies.
Moderately liberal affluent Democrats are genuinely the worst people in existence when it comes to this stuff. Makes my blood boil.
Let's hope so.
But honestly:
- So far honestly places like us (yes both India and Indonesia) aren't exactly a really good place regarding communicating our deeper civilizational grammar to the general world, don't you think?
I mean you got Bollywood and shit, but like, how many of them are talking (even subtextually) about the deeper civilizational grammar and the like that we have?
Most of the time the films & content we made are basically just either cheap entertainment or soap operas (let's face it, it really is). It's not LOTR tier, not Mahabharata epic tier or shit like that.
--------------
BTW, in America, most Indian-Americans are interested in what, business? Is there any interest in them for like, capturing Hollywood then remake Mahabharata or something (in a manner understandable to white man)?
Yeah, absolutely fair criticism. Indians do have a spiritual obligation, in my opinion, to master and express themselves through advanced media. And, at the same time, it is already happening – and still being ignored by white guys.
Read my review on my Substack of Monkey Man. I thought it did a more than adequate job explaining religious grammar while still appealing to the Western action junkie.
https://rajeevram.substack.com/p/monkey-man-a-review