Charlie and Me

Guess I should say something

Charlie Kirk and I were born five days apart.

And yeah, I know it reads as narcissistic to immediately make the story about me like that, but also go fuck yourself—we only have so much cognitive bandwidth to process the Current Thing, and this is legit my most salient point of reference.

Prior to his death Charlie Kirk was the public figure closest to me in age.

Want to know who is now? Pete fuckin Davidson…
Far as I’m concerned that’s more than enough reason to give Tyler the chair.

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I was first made aware of Charles James Kirk during the famous Groyper War of 2019.

People seem to forget this now, but the dude was a lot more milquetoast back then—the sort of feller we in the Alt Right might call a “basic bitch conservative.”

To 21 year-old Nick Fuentes and his legion of groypers Kirk’s ongoing Culture War campus tour represented an attempt by cringe Ted Cruz-style movement conservatism to co-opt the nationalist / populist energy unleashed in 2016 while slamming shut the Overton Window on its genuinely transgressive elements e.g. overt white identity and the JQ (which ironically the Spencerian remnant of the AR felt groypers themselves were doing by coopting WN into Catholic Integralism, but that’s another story).

Now at this point I was still calling myself a White Nationalist, but most of the time that didn’t mean much given that ever since Blumpf screwed us at Charlottesville it had become kind of impossible for me to care about politics in a non-ironic register; for the better part of that year I militantly supported Andrew Yang to troll my hobbity Nebraskan coworkers while redirecting the energy that had once gone into Alt Right shit into passing actuarial exams and chasing tail. That said my antisemitic mischling bestie / roommate did a pretty decent job keeping me apprised of new developments in the scene, and I can still remember how excited he was to tell me everything about the Groyper War when it was first going down—it was our first legible win in a long while, and the dude was pleased as a peach with Fuentes’s maneuvering against Kirk.

…as was I, frankly, after watching a couple clips of groypers bushwhacking the dude; by and large they came off as intelligent and capable young guys, and Fuentes himself a hugely promising heir to Spencer—perhaps a bit immature and unserious now and then, but surely Father Time would file off those rough edges in a year or three, right?

Sadly not—even today Fuentes remains an impish Peter Pan-type figure sorely lacking in gravitas or poise, who if anything’s been audience captured by subaltern teenagers. Meanwhile the Dissident Right as a whole is for the most part an embarrassing and incel-coded clusterfuck compared to what we briefly enjoyed during the Spencer era.

One reason for this is normie conservative thought leaders a la Matt Walsh and Kirk himself have evolved towards a soft white identitarianism and even ambisemitism—both of which would have been completely unthinkable for a figure of their stature to express or even contemplate back in 2019. The simple if surprising fact of the matter is that if you’re a racially conscious white man who doesn’t want to fellate Israel the basic bitch GOP will for the most part have you covered pretty dece these days.

And don’t get me wrong—a lot of that was clearly driven by Fuentes et al actively keeping the likes of Walsh and Kirk honest and vigilant toward their right flank.

But just as much of it I’d argue is attributable to endogamous generational turnover e.g. flagship institutions like TPUSA and Heritage being staffed and increasingly run by Millennials who don’t give a shit about Boomer racial pieties. These types spent their college years devouring Richard Spencer interviews or laughing their ass off at Pepe memes, and if you got them drunk could wax poetic about Lewontin's Fallacy and the Hajnal Line. People are policy, and the ascendence of this cohort into the heights of movement leadership is bound to have a pretty pronounced impact (see also this publication’s maiden essay from last January arguing that the Alt Right won).

That said at least in my experience talking to these types a lot of them are basically Straussians, clinging firmly to the hard edge of the Overton Window publicly while privately holding plenty of heterodox views. They also tend to harbor rather mixed feelings toward the modern Dissident Right, sometimes respecting them as fellow travelers playing a valuable Malcolm X role, but just as often (and increasingly) seeing them as an oafish low status albatross around the neck of the Right’s long-term goals.

Now, at the end of the day it’s far too reductive and simplistic to characterize the Straussian institutionalist impulse as essentially Millennial and the Dissident Right freebooting impulse as essentially Zoomer—clearly both sides of the coin include all age groups in large number, and in practice the division almost certainly breaks down a lot more cleanly by educational attainment and social class.

Thing is though that itself has kind of a generational valence these days when you consider how many Zoomer guys are lowkey dropping out of society, which is why in practice it’s quite common for Zoomerinos who don’t make it through the filter to frame this conflict in overtly generational terms while grinding an enormous axe against older rightoids with more of a stake in continued social stability.

Moreover it needs to be kept in mind that a lot of rightoid Millennials who may well have been drawn to more overt forms of heterodox thought were sort of intractably cockblocked by Charlottesville blowback and the late 2010s censorship wave. Let’s not forget there was a pretty significant length of time where your only options to express yourself as a heterodox rightist were A) toothless TPOT ironyposting and Dirtbag Left adjacency; B) going all in on traditional Catholicism; C) skulking about in stanky digital ratholes exclusively with other unpersoned chuds—hardly the most desirable of options for a cohort usually defined by its earnestness, secularism, and pluralism.

Hence why a lot of us basically disappeared from the public square for a few years to focus on building our normie lives whilst watching wistfully from the sidelines.

Would we still have done this without the deplatforming? Hard to say for certain.

But it sure got easier to study for those actuarial exams after my Twitter was banned.

And while I’m clearly a bit of a radical by disposition, it’ll always be sort of a stretch staying a Trve Radical once you’ve built a halfway decent life for yourself—revolutions as a rule come out of trust funds and trailer parks.

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When the Groyper War was going down Charlie and I had recently turned 26, but looking back I’m pretty sure I assumed the dude was in his late 30s or something.

Not because he looked like an old man or anything; it’s just the basic semiotics of the conflict sort of coded him as such. Fuentes was the heroic young rapscallion and Kirk the venerable establishment fuddy-duddy—Generation Zyklon vs. Conservative Inc.

They were five years apart.

Which isn’t nothing in your 20s, but… idk. Looking back that kind of is just super gay.

Because in truth those were our vigorous wild buck years—and note by “we” here I don’t claim Charlie so much as mischling bestie and

Theon Ultima

and all those other niggas born 1990-1995 who made up the bulk of the Alt Right only to fade back into normie life post-Charlottesville.

We were still young men.

Had such energy, and ideas, and style… and real-ass fucking clout then, across all the major platforms—so much so that the bluechecks genuinely feared the Alt Right, in a sort of way they’ve never feared the groypers, let alone any other poopbutt DR faction.

Then Charlottesville turns us all into a bunch of middle aged 23 year olds overnight, and almost instantly we lose confidence in our own basic tastes and sensibilities—so much so we ended up ceding control of the movement to literal teenagers.

And look—during the Groyper War it’s just trivially true Charlie Kirk was pushing stale and retrograde Boomer politics while punching right in a dishonorable way.

But you want to know something else? He had gravitas and dignity and was building a bona fide institution—a feat Fuentes could never hope to accomplish because the kid is basically just pure affect. And it goes without saying he’s also charismatic as shit, but that alone can’t scale except through some cringey faggoty personality cult, whereas thanks to him more than anyone else the Zoomer Oral Culture and floating epistemics are now locked in as basal dialect of the online right, such that you kind of NEED to talk and act like a middle schooler these days or else you come off as a bit of a fag.

Then again, who the fuck am I to criticize Fuentes for stepping up like a man and claiming that crown from the gutter? At that point it was kind of just his by right given Millennial guys were ready to relinquish our counterculture the moment it stopped being fun and instead let Charlie fucking Kirk speak for us…

…which I suppose in the grand scheme of things doesn’t actually seem all that undignified given Charlie went down talking like Jared Taylor whereas Fuentes will eternally be the catboy enjoyer with a cult of brown incels.

Funny how life works out sometimes.

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Anyway a lot of my rightoid frens have been trying to turn this shit into some kind of civil war thing and idk fellers kind of feels like you’re reaching.

Now, that stabbed Ukrainian chick I actually can understand getting worked up over because black crime is genuinely a huge problem, but the way I see it this Kirk shit is straightforwardly a distraction from that issue and people talking about them in the same register is muddling the former in a deeply unhelpful way.

Moreover you can bet your sweet ass the libtards would MUCH rather this story be in everyone’s mouth than the other one.

art by George Alexopoulos

Also, look—there isn’t any broad societal issue with right wing influencers being murked by libtards. If there were I’d for sure tell you, since I myself am one and probs both far more important and vastly more offensive than you (see: nigger nigger nigger). But these days the Left is playing defense and for the most part just waiting for the chudkorps to overextend… which quite frankly seems pretty fuckin likely to happen now the way you tards keep trying to rile everyone up for engagement cummies.

And yeah I’m sure you can find some fugly gap-toothed shaniqua on Tiktok saying she doesn’t care about Charlie dying. Thing is you probably don’t care that much either and are literally just looking for a reason to get Mad—same way libtards pretended that Nancy Pelosi’s beaten up insider trading husband was super duper important.

We live in a big country. Some people get shot.
And yeah it sucks, but right now you guys remind me of this fag.

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And I very genuinely don’t mean for any of the above to come off as heartless because clearly just on a human being level this shit is absolutely horrible.

That said Charlie Kirk is also literally just a Guy—and tons of Guys get murdered all the fucking time in this country.

Like member this one?

I member…

Brian Thompson was also a husband and father, and half you fags literally cheered him being shot point blank in the back of the fucking head by that caveman lookin dago either because A) you’re too lazy or stupid to get a job that gives you decent health insurance; B) you’re too economically illiterate to realize physicians are far more culpable for medical inflation than insurance companies; or most likely C) you’re an obsequious little faggot and were terrified that women would think you’re an incel if you dared to feel bad for some ugly old fat guy getting murdered by a hot guy.

And even if you did condemn Luigi’s actions at the time I somehow suspect you wrote something quite a bit less ornamental bemoaning Thompson’s death than Kirk’s. Feel free to prove me wrong in the DMs if you have receipts, but I’m not holding my breath.

Now a lot of you will insist in response to this “but Charlie was soo young it’s different!”—I keep seeing that word “young” popping up in basically every story about the dude.

And you know what it kind of reminds me of?

When Brittany Murphy died.

Which I recall surprisingly well, actually—I was a sixteen year-old shithead so my reaction to such coverage was by and large “I mean it’s sad but 32 isn’t THAT young…” and then I felt basically the exact same thing about Amy Winehouse two years later.

And you’d think I’d feel different on the other side, but frankly I’ve been having the exact same response as before—and if I’m honest, a lot more intensely.

Which yeah I know anyone older than me will get super pissy about, but also screw you geezers I’m younger than you and in America that means my opinion counts more.

Truth is Charlie Kirk gets to be “young” because he was famous and in charge of a big huge powerful organization. It’s like how people call a 45 year old CEO “the kid,” or Clinton and Obama got to brand themselves as hip and with-it youth vote candidates despite objectively being old men because they were running against total dinosaurs.

Whereas say you saw a 31 year old dude panhandling on the side of the road—or, hell, just ran into someone that age in an entry level office job—would you still perceive him as “young,” or more as kind of a fuckup who really ought to get his shit together?

It also helps that Kirk had a wife and kids, because at 31 the world can still plausibly narrate you as having been a “young father starting a family”—though I’d bet some of the trad types who settled down in their early twenties would roll their eyes at this. And maybe my libtard readers are isolated from this reality, but in more religious and conservative circles even being unmarried at that age codes as a little dissolute and sus.

Point is it’s kind of just a flimsy old people cope to pretend the timer doesn’t exist—those 30 under 30 lists exist for a reason, and you can disdain the mindset all you want but to actual young people it will always sound like Fat Acceptance. After a certain age you kind of just NEED to be rich and powerful as a man or unusually neotenous and trendsetting as a woman or functionally speaking you fall off the face of the earth.

Moreover I’d submit that it’s actually hugely dangerous for Millennials to continue narrating ourselves as “young people.” Boomers and Gen X will pretty much always see us that way thanks to le avocado toast memes, but there’s also a certain species of rightoid Zoomer boy who sees us all as cringey out of touch faggots—far too comfy and preening and status-seeking to ever rock the boat or commit to anything serious—and there’s often quite a bit of sadism there borne of deep-seated contempt for our cohort’s softness, earnestness, romanticism, and impulse towards pluralism.

In practice they don’t even have to be much younger to feel that way—I’ll not waste tons of real estate on inside baseball, but plenty of you lads will recall those iFunny raids from last year, or that one nigga who literally created an entire-ass discord server to bitch about me and framed it as contempt for the “Millennial laptop class” or some shit when he was literally only five years my junior.

Basically shitty lazy brokeboys of each and every generation will always fashion some kind of stupid fable they can spin about why the cohorts before them are corrupt and decadent and don’t deserve their position. Lots of Elder Millennials are still pulling that shit with the Great Recession, for instance, whereas the newest thing is Zoomers mad they couldn’t get an email job before generative AI started shredding entry level white collar work. But the object-level content doesn’t really matter; structurally it’s pretty much always just the same tedious and unagentic poorpeepo whining.

Long story short you shouldn’t let a bunch of olds who’ve long left life’s arenas of consequence shame you for feeling old as a thirty-something, because in a certain register you kind of just fucking are old and more importantly will be attacked as such, which means it’s genuinely quite important you learn how to carry that shit correct.

For a feller that means accepting the reality that past a certain age most people will see you as kind of worthless if you don’t have status and power, whereas once you’ve obtained said status and power lots of young guys will instinctively want to humiliate, torture, and murder you as revenge for them not having it because Fuck You, Old Man.

…and the ironic thing is that’s actually an impulse you’ll come to appreciate in practice, since it’s precisely what grants you moral license to pull up the ladder and rub your wizened vinegary testicles upon their smooth and boyish faces—at least until one of them has enough agency to bite your cock off.

And that’s kind of just the eternal dialectic.

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Anyway I’ll wrap it up with this.

Charlie Kirk was a man of tremendous stature—he lived well, accomplished loads of indisputably important and impressive things, sired a lovely family, became rich and famous and powerful, and was 6’5.

Meanwhile this Tyler faggot who killed him was almost certainly some sickly jealous incel doing it not even out of anything ideological so much as for the overtly antisocial High Score reasons

Kryptogal (Kate, if you like)

discusses here:

But what I’d submit to Kate and all the other womyn / Boomers / normies still reading is that such a moralistic framing doesn’t achieve anything useful other than granting you temporary emotional catharsis. If you want to meaningfully reduce the incidence rate of shit like this you actually need to understand WHY someone would throw their life away simply to cause pain, which means game theoretically projecting out what makes sense given their own values and rational interests.

You won’t form heuristics with any predictive or explanatory power if you just shout “he cwazy!” the moment a dude stops following the rules of a system whereby number one he doesn’t feel like he has any skin in the game and number two none of the rules he’s given in the manual actually match how the game’s played in practice and number three if he ever points any of this out he automatically loses in the worst possible way.

You likewise need to grok that enlightenment values like muh universal right to life or whatever came about in a world profoundly different from our own, and that on some level once God dies literally everything that happens is justified just tautologically—all’s fair in love and war, except to the extent you can trick the dumdums otherwise.

Thing is I don’t think any of this will ever happen because it’s also massively dysgenic NOT to feel deep contempt for low status males and also anyone who defends them—practically speaking dehumanization is necessary for the survival of the species. But to not precipitate a certain degree of stochastic terrorism this also needs to be covered up and ambiently gaslit over, which is basically impossible to do in an online world.

Of course it would be a lot easier if we didn’t have to operate under this faggoty fake pretense that “everyone’s life is equal” given such a notion obviously runs completely and utterly contrary to our real-world intuition as seen with Thompson vs. Kirk, and could just overtly cull or preemptively restrain the rights of low status males before they act out in this way, but in practice that would undermine the stabilizing illusion of liberal democracy… the obscurantism really does need to be priced in.

anywho RIP