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Tom Swift's avatar

Thank you for writing about the world I live in.

The primary value of your work could be informing inexperienced homeschool alumni of the more unsavory aspects of modernity.

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Literatus's avatar

Homeschooled till sr high. I kind of just stopped caring. I never really evicted it too make sense, and it didn't. Now the truth just kind of feels sleazy. Though I've never really had a problem with that, i just avoided it for reasons of taste.

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Kryptogal (Kate, if you like)'s avatar

Lots of guys enjoy doing things like fixing dishwashers and working on mechanical projects. I'd say probably even the majority? The whole country outside of the cities is filled with guys who have workshops, stand-alone garages where they tinker with their various toys and machines, etc. Single/divorced guys are the ones who will really get into that stuff big-time and just spend literally all their disposable income on it and end up with like multiple vehicles/trailers/ORVs/whatever in various states of repair that they like working on, when there's no wife around to tell them "no" on buying that new $600 tool they want or whatever.

So I guess I'm just saying that everything you've described here is, I don't think, much of a problem for any such guys and that "trad" lifestyle will be quite suitable for them because they like doing to that of build/fix/hunt/protect whatever stuff anyway. You're basically just telling them that the things that are already their hobbies will be an expectation of their wife...no problem bc they will actually ENJOY building her a chicken coop or whatever and think it's fun. Win win for everyone.

It's only a problem with city-dwelling guys who want to live a cosmopolitan, urban lifestyle but for some reason insist on some emotional attachment to the purported benefits of trad values that are in fact totally unsuited to urban living. I mean why not just become a cosmopolitan liberal person with the attendant values if you're going to live a cosmopolitan urban life?? There's a reason that politics in every country and all through history have had an urban/rural divide, and it's bc the material realities are just so very different.

And if you want to go halfsies, well that's called the suburbs and indeed so many people like living in them...sort of the best of both worlds, with ur an amenities but enough of privacy and DIY ethic to satisfy one's year in for their own mini homestead. Though of course what suburbanite moderates see as the best of both worlds, the country hicks and the city snobs will both mutually look down on contemptuously, as artificial, fake, not sufficiently committed or pure enough for their preferred mode, etc. C'est la vie. IMO wanting a trad wife or life while living in a city is equally as ridiculous as trying to be a country lord while never getting your hands dirty or knowing how to fix things (or owning serfs to do your labor for you).

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Walt Bismarck's avatar

lots of trad guys are autistic nerds who grew up in the suburbs and come off as huge fags to actual trad women.

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Kryptogal (Kate, if you like)'s avatar

Right, so maybe easier to change their ideals/aspirations than their whole being and persona? They should stop resisting that classic liberalism is well suited to who they are. 😊

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Walt Bismarck's avatar

Lowkey nothing is suited to their persona lol. You kind of just need to build your own bubble where things aren't gay

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Tom Swift's avatar

It is within their power to prevent this predicament. Suburban nerds are often engineers, and they can certainly develop the physical strength and learn the mechanical skills necessary for the traditional way of life.

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Ellie is Based in Paris's avatar

Omaha is nice. Every time I go there, I’m amazed at how cute the young women are when I go to my workout classes.

The people are nice, there are fun things to do, and there are good restaurants.

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Anonymous Dude's avatar

Really amazing, even though I'm sure I didn't get half of it. Quite the riddle.

Yeah, I always figured there had to be some catch for the trad thing. It's true, conservatives tend to get much more into the whole 'poor woman' thing because they still believe in chivalry.

If you're going to start using archetypical lenses on women you might like the Jean Shinoda Bolen book Goddesses in Everywoman--the 'phallic' woman looking for Batman energy really sounds like the Athena or Hera looking for heroes, and the 'yonic' woman living in her own world of emotions sounds an awful lot like the Persephone falling for Hades. It's 'woo' and feminist, but you're smart enough to read through that to get what's useful, and I'm sure you can get a secondhand copy to avoid supporting shitlibs. ;) Don't waste your time with the men book she wrote as a followup--the lady seemed to think she could write a book on masculine psychology without a male coauthor.

Are yonic women really more likely to be bi? (Harley ran off with Ivy after all in the end...) I could definitely see that if they were looking for more feminine energy, and in my experience the bi girls didn't want quite as much Batman energy out of me....but they also tended to have more masculine traits, being into engineering and stuff and being more spectrumy in general.

Anyway, whatever the media tells them most of them don't want to wind up as catwomen.

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Walt Bismarck's avatar

I think bi girls are more feminine in zoomer and late millennials but it's the opposite in older gens

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Sarah Katherine Brand's avatar

First of all, this is completely incoherent. Second, this is what happens when secular people try to be trad. Or treat traditionalism like it’s a fetish. Train wreck. It’s a pretty simple lifestyle to accomplish if you have the right ingredients. God, duty, self-governance being a few of them.

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Walt Bismarck's avatar

Yeah but God doesn't real

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Simon van de Graaf's avatar

Lmao, Walt uses a story of him having sex on the SECOND DATE as an example of “Trad Lifestyle”, incredible.

But apart from that I basically whole heartedly agree. Being trad exists in the other side of the Prisoners Dilemma and it requires full commitment and community support for it to work. Otherwise forget it, you’re just a Patsy. Keep up the good work; I love these essays, Walt!

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Rachel's avatar

Women who have sex outside of marriage are not traditional in any true sense. They are “trad” for the aesthetic while missing entirely the substance. If you remove God from tradition, you end up getting a counterfeit. The depth of this I cannot begin to put into words. You either get it or you don’t. But I will try to explain the inexplicable.

Some of this article was true, interesting and funny. All of it was interesting. Some of it was false and some of it was both false and cruel. All of the falsehood and all of the cruelty is because you apparently (based on a comment you made in the comment section) no longer believe in God. Many things cease to make sense when you divorce yourself from the Creator of all the things you seek to make sense of. This essay was like watching someone be tangled in a knot that can easily be untangled yet they can’t find the thread they need to pull, nor can they see which threads they need to let go of.

Liberal women are not always vulnerable and scared. The single ones are. The married ones are fierce because they have a man protecting them (although they’ll never give him credit and will instead berate him for his “toxic” masculinity that they hate to be the beneficiaries of because of their pride.) Single liberal women are fragile and vulnerable because they are giving themselves away again and again to men who don’t love them and they are likewise tangled in a knot that is simple from the outside but they can’t find the solution—get God and get some self respect. Single conservative women believe they are worth something and so they act like it so you can’t “pork” them on the second date. They are too strong for that. When these two types of women get married, the types switch. The liberal woman who used to be so vulnerable now finds she resents all the men who slept with her and she has a hatred for men rooted in trauma. She mistrusts her husband and is cynical of male leadership. Now that she is “safe” in marriage—safe from other men, safe from the judgment of women, safe from poverty—it emboldens her and her nascent politics rear their ugly and aggressive head. The man has no power in this marriage. The woman also has no power. She fights against a patriarchy she depends on and she hates herself for it. She hates how her body makes her vulnerable. She hates that she didn’t figure that out when she was single. And she hates that she doesn’t understand any of the things I am spelling out right here. She just knows she’s mad and doesn’t know why. The formerly strong-willed conservative woman, on the other hand, softens. While she was single, she knew that most men were not worthy of her and that they were predators and she was prey. She spent years having her guard up. Now she’s exhausted. But now she has the luxury of being exhausted because finally, she married a man worthy of her. Now she can soften. Now she’s so glad she waited so long. Now she can submit. She spent so many years taking care of herself, being the only legitimate bossbabe in town because she wasn’t shacking up with anyone and was actually paying her own bills and was actually terrified in a bone-deep way every single day…and now she doesn’t have to do this anymore. Not only does she not want to, her brain is worn out from all the effort of protecting herself from men and paying bills she never wanted to pay while maintaining her mental health and sanity. She’s so glad the nightmare is over. She’s so glad she didn’t sleep with or marry a loser. She’s so glad she found a good man. She’s so glad he restored her flagging faith in masculinity and that she was right all along: good men do exist, you just have to wait for them. She’s so glad she’s so glad she’s so inexpressibly glad and out of that place of gratitude, she lets her husband lead. He wins because she’s truly surrendered. And she wins because he’s a real leader, and most importantly he is the sort who wants to lead. The kind of man who has a Biblical worldview and who actually believes he ought to die for his wife and children, and that he ought to empty himself of power…the man who truly believes that and lives that out…that man engenders a kind of loyalty that aesthetic trad men can only fantasize about as it slips out of their hands like sand. The man who embodies Biblical servant leadership, the man who WANTS to take responsibility for his wife’s vulnerabilities and mistakes, the man who doesn’t see it as an unjust loss of power…that man ALONE actually gets an incredible amount of power. Because you must die to live. You must hate your life to live forever. You must abnegate your power in order to claim it. And you can’t falsely abnegate said power. You have to really give it up in order to really get it back. Marriage works well for everyone when they approach it as the death of the self which leads to the life of the self. No other way will do. Draft dodgers and deserters get no respect. The only men who get respect in war are the ones who died for the country and the ones who were willing to die but miraculously survived. Those are the powerful men. Men who avoid responsibility to save their own skin and their own “power” are deeply weak. These men are actually liberal and egalitarian and they marry liberal women and they both feel powerless because they are both cosplaying transgenderism and it’s castrating their spirits.

Diana probably sniffed out the sort of man you are (not godly, and therefore backwards) and it made her run and she probably relaxed her moral standards when she found the kind of man who she was certain she would probably marry. Obviously he’s not perfect but if he holds onto God, he’s more stable and more trustworthy and more likely to become increasingly more close to perfect as he ages. That’s how sanctification works. It’s exponential growth that always approaches the asymptote of perfection even if it never reaches it. Godless people do not even begin the ascent and are to be (romantically) avoided at all costs. It’s too bad she relaxed her standards, but also give her a break. She kissed a dude and she was getting older. As someone who hasn’t kissed a man, I know how hard what she was doing was especially in this culture. You get tired after a certain age.

I think you think racism is cool and using women is cool. I also think that you think men should get something out of marriage when Biblically (and according to God, the creator of marriage), men are called to sacrifice for their wife even unto death. Your entire ontology of manhood, womanhood, sex, and personhood is deeply off and you probably can’t see it and so you come across like a blind person describing an elephant you can only touch. You get some things right, but you’ve missed the full picture and so you’re mostly wrong about everything. But faith is a gift and sight is also a gift and miracle of God. If you don’t have it, it cannot be given to you by a human in the comment section. And so without a move of God, you will continue to spiral into senselessness and not even comprehend it.

Of course I’m angry and hurt by how you discuss people of African descent. That’s likely part of my caustic response to this piece. But also, I am grateful for this piece. I am an actually traditional woman. 31, a virgin, and I do not kiss the men I date, even if they ask, because physical/sexual intimacy and foreplay is for marriage only. And yes, you’re right, I do need to be aggressively fucked and it is causing mental and emotional deterioration. It’s also causing spiritual deterioration. But reading this essay honestly has strengthened my faith in God. Because reading this, I see two things so clearly:

1. How cruel, how terribly cruel, a person can be when he (or she) has never met his savior and never understood his relationship to God and never been made to see his relationship to fellow humans and never been commanded to love his neighbor as himself and never accepted the Lordship of someone who would give such a command

2. How incapable of understanding someone becomes when they are not humbled before God and accepting the world and understanding the world on God’s terms. When someone rejects the designer as well as the designer’s manual, they end up with car trouble—trouble caused by operator error. When they reject the manual, they invent bizarre possibilities for why the car is malfunctioning. When they reject the manual, they attempt to fix the car using the wrong tools in the wrong way working on the wrong problems. And nothing gets fixed.

You need Jesus. Please go back to church—for your sake and for the sake of the people around you and for the sake of the people who read your blog. I hope you really do find Jesus and see the world from His perspective. A lot of things would become clear to you after that. And while a miracle is needed for ANYONE to see God, the Bible says that if you seek God with all of your heart, you will find Him. I spent many years not believing but seeking. One day, God opened my eyes like He did for Paul. Night and day. The world looks entirely different after you meet the Lord. So I know for a fact that you can’t force God to reveal Himself, but you CAN show up and look for Him. And you should expect to see Him someday, if you wait. God bless. ✌🏾🕊️

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Alex Jean's avatar

The guy who wrote this is an autistic faggot. Wtf did I just read? To the guys reading this. This is what your brain on porn and degeneracy looks like.

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Walt Bismarck's avatar

you’re literally black

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Alex Jean's avatar

Yes

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Fulton's avatar

So, Walk, what are the secrets that the "Boyim" are not supposed to know?

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holoqualia's avatar

I can't even listen to this, it's disgusting. Maybe you used to larp as a catholic but you're obviously a darwinian materialist, cynical and mean to your core. It permeates your thought entirely. I'll make this easy for you to understand- you fell in love with a girl, and it was real, it gave your life meaning. Then you fucked it up, probably due to your own cynicism and antisociality, and now you have to live with the consequences. No amount of anal sex or smug blog posts will take away the loss. There's nothing worse than having love, fucking it up, and losing it. Sorry. It's sad to see what this ideology has done to people. It's bleak and evil and won't survive into the future because the nihilism and despair it fosters makes one incapable of raising children. I'm not Christian but I don't believe in the dead mechanical universe the mainstream is so convinced of. It's as irrational a world view as any cult, and just as destructive. But go ahead and stay feeling safe and comfortable in your cynicism as your destroy your life and everything that once gave you happiness.

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Massafornian's avatar

I can't keep up with the jargon and snark in this piece.

From my aged viewpoint, 'trad' is a made-up label by the privileged who are under 30. Actual 'traditional' people aren't online; they aren't podcasting and broadcasting their life; they aren't constantly emoting to anonymous strangers online; and they're not going through life cosplaying, tossing labels around that never seem to stick.

I worry about young people. All the pixels and bits they grew up with seem to have left them as empty, soulless husks who are self-obsessed with their 'identity'. Everyone around them is a casualty in their self-declared 'journey'.

I wonder if they're capable of love in any normal, timeless way.

It saddens me deeply—I don't think it's their fault this is what they became. Life gave them pixels and bits. They didn't ask for it.

But God help them.

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Walt Bismarck's avatar

>I wonder if they're capable of love in any normal, timeless way.

definitely not

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Scott A's avatar

Get a wife, make a lot of money, have Her volunteer at the school. This isnt rocket science. They just become trad

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DaFilosFur's avatar

Pretty funny article between both personal experiences and autistic analysis of women.

But I'm gonna say that you are really not speaking on solid ground here when discussing marriage and legit trad shit. I get it that you in the past loved the aesthetics and have a lot of similar temperaments shared with trads; this is helpful for making this article both funny and relatable. But the fact that your self-described experiences of trying to be trad or dating trads seemed to be limited to just the aesthetics and feeling as opposed to the hard nosed facts involved. You never married and are still autistically banging autistic art hoes in Orlando. It kind of hurts the "Now let me tell you why trad shit doesn't work from experience".

I think you are right that a shitlib woman fits the pliable and submissive eroticism and aesthetic of a trad much more than an actual trad woman. But that has much more to do with a real trad relationship is more than the eroticism and aesthetics.

For instance, I'm gonna just jump into Scripture for your points here. As we are talking about "trad" and these are pretty important resources for understanding that.

Proverbs 31 is a pretty common citation for a wife material. It doesn't describe a little girl needing a big strong batman to fuck her. It describes a competent, assertive, and capable woman both in life, virtue, work, and love. A real ass human being, not a pliable fuck toy to bake bread for you every evening dressed in an aesthetic. I've rarely come across women like this in dating and it was night-and-day difference with how great it is to be with a woman that both knew what she wanted and knew how to handle problems in her life. It was honestly intimidating because of how it meant you *do* have to be a bigger man to be worth a woman like that. But that is the point and pussies of the modern world trying to LARP are going to fall short when they run into the real thing.

While Ephesians 5 can be the easy one people will point to for marriage in particular. Shitlib women get mad that they have to submit to their husbands in it. But you seem to be openly recognizing that the men are bearing all the responsibility for the position of authority they claim while also in Ephesians 5 the point for men is for men to love their lives like Christ loves the Church. A pretty big ask since that is self-sacrifice to the point of death. If someone is genuinely interested in being trad, they should recognize that while any hard-nosed trad woman will submit to the authority of a man, that man will need to ensure that he is up to task for that kind of responsibility. You can call that secret femdom, but I just say it is a real relationship dynamic that actually captures the teleology of men and women. The eros of masculine domination and feminine submission is a fraction of the whole point.

I'm a bit suspicious that you have wrapped your relationships in eros so much that you have been losing site of the broader picture of what these are supposed to be. Especially when considering trad relationships given that those are supposed to be based in traditions such as religion and Scripture.

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O Aforista's avatar

"Nihilists! F... me" Big Lebowski

Things may not be so bad here in Brazil, but the problem exists, definitely. Knowledge became a blessing and a curse, and it is extremely common that people, including women, fall into some sort of angelism, ignoring they are part of big society and are subject to the same rules and influences as everyone. This niche consumerist aspect of the faith is easily recognizable for some boys with a little malice, but a big trap for many good men. Too much knowledge drags us away from objective reality, after all good faith must ordinarily be aligned to a reasonable aristotelian way of living where you will, surely, be measured by the social norms wich govern everyone's lifes, considering they are fair and not unjust. That said, even considering I do not believe this kind of language should be written, and even spoken, for our own good, the author seems partially justified by the urgency to find the words for a phenomenon that is really terrifying. In the whole picture, he has a point and I share his perceptions.

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Iberian Wanderer's avatar

"boyim"

masterful

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DaFilosFur's avatar

That was probably the best line from this.

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Solomon's avatar

A bit out of the blue, but finding another racist homeschooled theatre kid has been incredible.

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Solomon's avatar

Good article. The one little Jesuit trick I would throw in regarding trad wifery is the Catholic concept of marital debt wherein men and women have a right to each other’s bodies (i.e. husbands can hit whenever they want and it’s a sin for wives to refuse. The inverse is also true, but that’s no issue for your average man). I suspect for a lot of matriarchal “trad” homes, the scriptural infinite pussy glitch keeps a lot of low awareness men satiated and docile, meaning they probably don’t even know their femoid is running them ragged. Happy wife, well drained husband, happy life.

This model wouldn’t work for most substack readers, who need narrative control, or at least input, but for your turbo-normie Catholic chud, what more could be asked for?

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