The Irish are an Angloid people whether they admit it or not. There are more subjects of his majesty the king with Irish blood than there are citizens of the Irish Republic including British national treasures like Ed Sheeran. The Irish are about as Celtic as the French and English. On a genetic level most white Frenchmen and white Englishmen are predominantly Celtic, but we now consider them Latin and Anglo-Saxon respectively on the basis of language and law. Likewise, Ireland might still have a Gaelic lineage, but it's culturally thoroughly Anglospheric.
This strategy only works IF the Republicans also do Wally B's reparations proposal to wipe out white guilt + Trump take Greenland from the Danes then move the Palestinians to Greenland while Israel completely annex Palestine to specifically induce US-Europe split, Democrats will have their trifecta sooner or later
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A big miscalculation of most conservatives today is that today, real white supremacy is wokeism.
Basically elite & UMC WASPs and Germanics today are in practice the WEIRDest people on Earth today and hence the wokest people on Earth today - so if you want to be a real white supremacist you become hyper woke
Is that like that meme where Uncle Ben falls off the rice box, then Aunt Jemima falls off the frame, then the Indian girl falls off the butter box, and then it's just the Quaker Oats guy and he says "PROGRESS!" ?
Until the Republicans also do YOUR reparations proposal to wipe out white guilt + Trump take Greenland from the Danes then move the Palestinians to Greenland while Israel completely annex Palestine to specifically induce US-Europe split, Democrats will have their trifecta sooner or later
You almost lost me there but, I was instantly back with your opinions on the Irish.
I don't know why these ginger twats are still so popular over here in the old world. They somehow manage to fuck over everyone, while still getting fucked themselves in the process(which takes some talent I guess). At least as standard anti-semitism says, the Jews are getting something out of it.
> Why are Catholics allowed to be “traditional” while maintaining mainstream cultural penetration to a degree Protestants are arbitrarily denied even when High Church?
They don't, Catholics in Continental Europe outside Poland is dying anyway as well
> Why are they so massively overrepresented on the Supreme Court?
Well Catholics are more statist, therefore more inclined to go to the government for their career. I mean it's just natural selection at this point at this point
> Modern history curricula likes to narrate traditional anxieties over Romanism from the Know-Nothings and similar groups as “anti-Catholic bigotry,” but that doesn’t hold much water when even today we can plainly observe a foreign pontiff and the bishops at his command shamelessly using the faith of American Catholics as a wedge to shape U.S. policy outcomes
Everyone does this, not just Catholics. Do you really think the woke and the others don't do this
If anything America is really good when it comes to this, hence the Americanization of the world + WASP's method of divide et empera you describe in the Arya Question
> And why am I suddenly obliged to give even the faintest passing fuck about the Poop’s shitty opinion? To hell with him—and likewise Greta Thunberg and David Hogg and the Gold Star parents and anyone fucking else we arbitrarily can’t criticize after they inject themselves into salient issues of the day. If you want speech codes go to Europe.
Problem is that today the WASP's elite energy is literally being hyper focused to this. Even you admit that the Aryans nowadays are the wokest people around.
The dynamics today is that the Pope use their criticism of Trump to gain clout among WASP elites and similar types in the Western world - not just America.
What I seriously have to remind you is that today, real white supremacy today - I mean the type of white supremacy that doesn't even consider Irish and Italians as white, the "Norman aristocracy blood descendants should dominate against the Scotch-Irish mobs" (Real proposal during Confederacy era) - today IS wokeism. What the WASP elites and Germanic elites actually does and the "protestant descendants" does TODAY is fighting against the low-status Trump.
Basically if you want to say "But you wouldn’t want anyone else in charge at the end of the day" regarding the WASP, you are basically saying you are pro-wokeism and pro Orange Man Bad today and pro "The rest of the developed liberal democracies (for some reason they never include the developing world) banding together to uphold a liberal international order against America + US South".
Moreover, Democrat's real obsession on its core has ALWAYS been turning America into something more like Europe!
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Thing is you are thinking of national politics, while woke + anti-Trump criticism today IS GLOBAL. It's not even "national politics", it's fucking GLOBAL. Trump's opposition is GLOBAL, and Democrats' social activism wing is GLOBAL.
You should literally at this point thought about wokeism & libtardism as basically a transnational nation against the natives of their own homeland
Libtards today even thought of about all the developed liberal democracies (for some reason they never include the developing world) banding together to uphold a liberal international order against America.
Ok first, I'm aware that you're only half serious with all this, so I'm sorry to frame break and treat it seriously to some degree here.
1. I in no way condone state interference in church politics, especially when assassination is on the table.
2. Only clergy can become popes, so that disqualifies all your candidates.
3. But if that wasn't a bureaucratic/theological barrier, I think I would be a better candidate than all of yours, except Dave Greene, that's a brilliant choice for all the reasons you mention, as long as we're spitballing.
4. I am of two minds on exactly how much influence the church generally and the pope specifically have on American politics.
On the "little influence" side, Catholicism was waning in America steadily since probably the death of St. Fulton Sheen, and escalated precipitously with the child abuse scandals. Personally I was really disappointed in the Catholics that left the church over that, they clearly did not understand their own faith teaching. The philosophy and the people are two different things; a minority - a TINY, 4% minority - of priests of that generation being disgusting pedorapists existing, has nothing to do with a 2000 year old Tradition established by God Himself, fulfilling 2 or 3000 further years of tradition and prophecy, the history of which is CHOCK FULL of gigantic assholes who did horrible things. The weak minded faggots who dropped their faith in the wake of that scandal, are both the same people who had no problem with this faith that followed on from King David banging a dude's wife and then setting that guy up to get killed in a cover-up op, no problem with the same faith that lead a defensive genocide op for 2 or 300 years in the late Middle Ages, the same faith that had a history of genociding neighbor civs in the Levant from ancient times through the modern century, the same faith that was riddled with incest across the Old Testament, the same organization that had open grift with indulgences, buying and selling offices, secret or even openly married priests with children in the Renaissance... These bad people come and go. God is here forever. But oohhh no, these twat waffles suddenly have an issue with a rash of pedorapists in this couple decades, time to ditch God and the church! These are the same faggots who think all they have to do is vote in a different president or pope and that'll just fix everything. How can you apply that "just throw the bums out" logic to democracy, but not to the church? But I suppose that sort of myopic and weak faith defines who would be leaving the church over that as a tautology.
Sorry, got carried away there. Back to the plot, with the exception of St. Pope JP II, every other pope in the last 80 years as had less influence in American politics than the Queen of England, and she didn't even have a lot of pull in UK politics, as per Yarvin. They're mascots. Nobody listens to them.
On the "growing influence" side though, it's well known that presently, the Catholic Church is seeing a major comeback, converts coming in droves, especially among the young and the right wing. Sheer population growth does mean the leadership of this group will have at least some influence on a growing number of people. But I think the right wing element within this growth is going to buck the momentum on a liberal leader's influence anyway.
We saw that Pope Francis was very popular... but honestly, I think he was more popular in the *media* and pop culture than within the Catholic laity. I STRONGLY doubt he had much to do with the converting in droves, because that started considerably after he took office, and coincided much more with COVID lockdowns and trans mania, and perhaps I give it too much credit, but the Dimes Square/Alt Right/Yarvin slowly becoming mainstreamed right wing movements, all better coincide chronologically with the swelling conversion rates. All this in *spite* of Francis' popularity. He's really the best example, but further supporting evidence regarding the pope's influence in American politics or lack thereof can be found in Benedict's tenure. He was...not exactly right wing, but more shrewd and old school, he was the one who restored the reputation of the Latin mass (and of course inspired all these trad Cath hardliners to take up that cross), and even instituted all the anti-molester measures and practices in place today. The entire *promotion* (not "invention") of the term "grooming" for recognizing this behavior comes from his administration. (No, they didn't invent the term, but they codified practices for detecting it, preventing it, and distributed orders to implement these across the world, and the Boy Scouts and Dept of Ed took their cues from those orders, fun fact.) But you would think that for all he did to get the church heading in those based directions, that would've motivated the right wing part of returning and converting to RC, but no, he didn't have that much public influence. Probably because the media didn't particularly like Benedict.
And therein lies my point: The media has far more influence over the Catholic church and laity than the Pope, and downstream, more influence in Catholics' views of American politics. Which is pathetic, sad, an embarrassment to the faith, and exactly why we wound up with Leo in the first place. The white pill is that like Francis before him, there is still accelerating growth, including a large right wing portion, and I don't think it's attributable to Leo becoming pope. I think it has more overlap with why all these right wing populist parties are gaining influence across Europe. The whole world is sick of this Progressive shit, with right reason, and I think it's as simple as that.
Catholics for all their flaws don’t reject the concept of God’s authority or the bare concept of divine authority forthwith their actions, unlike W A S _P_ s.
I'm a tradcath and care about this Pope's opinions as much as I care about Obamas, if, indeed, there is a difference. I knew an American pope woukd be a disaster.
Catholic tolerance has of course never made a lick of sense; try and talk about it and you get how-the-Boomer-got-his-spots narratives about how much prettier JFK was than Nixon, or whatever. Unfortunately the collapse of grand narratives under democratic conditions just enables freakazoid defector minority groups to exploit the majority ever more. It's not going to stop absent some kind of crisis point and revolutionary break and there's as yet no material basis for same.
The Irish are an Angloid people whether they admit it or not. There are more subjects of his majesty the king with Irish blood than there are citizens of the Irish Republic including British national treasures like Ed Sheeran. The Irish are about as Celtic as the French and English. On a genetic level most white Frenchmen and white Englishmen are predominantly Celtic, but we now consider them Latin and Anglo-Saxon respectively on the basis of language and law. Likewise, Ireland might still have a Gaelic lineage, but it's culturally thoroughly Anglospheric.
In this scenario, what happens to the Church when the next Democrat trifecta occurs?
Become hyper woke.
This strategy only works IF the Republicans also do Wally B's reparations proposal to wipe out white guilt + Trump take Greenland from the Danes then move the Palestinians to Greenland while Israel completely annex Palestine to specifically induce US-Europe split, Democrats will have their trifecta sooner or later
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A big miscalculation of most conservatives today is that today, real white supremacy is wokeism.
Basically elite & UMC WASPs and Germanics today are in practice the WEIRDest people on Earth today and hence the wokest people on Earth today - so if you want to be a real white supremacist you become hyper woke
Is that like that meme where Uncle Ben falls off the rice box, then Aunt Jemima falls off the frame, then the Indian girl falls off the butter box, and then it's just the Quaker Oats guy and he says "PROGRESS!" ?
Yes
it doesn’t
Until the Republicans also do YOUR reparations proposal to wipe out white guilt + Trump take Greenland from the Danes then move the Palestinians to Greenland while Israel completely annex Palestine to specifically induce US-Europe split, Democrats will have their trifecta sooner or later
You almost lost me there but, I was instantly back with your opinions on the Irish.
I don't know why these ginger twats are still so popular over here in the old world. They somehow manage to fuck over everyone, while still getting fucked themselves in the process(which takes some talent I guess). At least as standard anti-semitism says, the Jews are getting something out of it.
Also my vote is on Dave Greene.
> Why are Catholics allowed to be “traditional” while maintaining mainstream cultural penetration to a degree Protestants are arbitrarily denied even when High Church?
They don't, Catholics in Continental Europe outside Poland is dying anyway as well
> Why are they so massively overrepresented on the Supreme Court?
Well Catholics are more statist, therefore more inclined to go to the government for their career. I mean it's just natural selection at this point at this point
> Modern history curricula likes to narrate traditional anxieties over Romanism from the Know-Nothings and similar groups as “anti-Catholic bigotry,” but that doesn’t hold much water when even today we can plainly observe a foreign pontiff and the bishops at his command shamelessly using the faith of American Catholics as a wedge to shape U.S. policy outcomes
Everyone does this, not just Catholics. Do you really think the woke and the others don't do this
If anything America is really good when it comes to this, hence the Americanization of the world + WASP's method of divide et empera you describe in the Arya Question
> And why am I suddenly obliged to give even the faintest passing fuck about the Poop’s shitty opinion? To hell with him—and likewise Greta Thunberg and David Hogg and the Gold Star parents and anyone fucking else we arbitrarily can’t criticize after they inject themselves into salient issues of the day. If you want speech codes go to Europe.
Problem is that today the WASP's elite energy is literally being hyper focused to this. Even you admit that the Aryans nowadays are the wokest people around.
The dynamics today is that the Pope use their criticism of Trump to gain clout among WASP elites and similar types in the Western world - not just America.
What I seriously have to remind you is that today, real white supremacy today - I mean the type of white supremacy that doesn't even consider Irish and Italians as white, the "Norman aristocracy blood descendants should dominate against the Scotch-Irish mobs" (Real proposal during Confederacy era) - today IS wokeism. What the WASP elites and Germanic elites actually does and the "protestant descendants" does TODAY is fighting against the low-status Trump.
Basically if you want to say "But you wouldn’t want anyone else in charge at the end of the day" regarding the WASP, you are basically saying you are pro-wokeism and pro Orange Man Bad today and pro "The rest of the developed liberal democracies (for some reason they never include the developing world) banding together to uphold a liberal international order against America + US South".
Moreover, Democrat's real obsession on its core has ALWAYS been turning America into something more like Europe!
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Thing is you are thinking of national politics, while woke + anti-Trump criticism today IS GLOBAL. It's not even "national politics", it's fucking GLOBAL. Trump's opposition is GLOBAL, and Democrats' social activism wing is GLOBAL.
You should literally at this point thought about wokeism & libtardism as basically a transnational nation against the natives of their own homeland
Libtards today even thought of about all the developed liberal democracies (for some reason they never include the developing world) banding together to uphold a liberal international order against America.
The fuck am I gonna do with you, Walt.
hahaha
Ok first, I'm aware that you're only half serious with all this, so I'm sorry to frame break and treat it seriously to some degree here.
1. I in no way condone state interference in church politics, especially when assassination is on the table.
2. Only clergy can become popes, so that disqualifies all your candidates.
3. But if that wasn't a bureaucratic/theological barrier, I think I would be a better candidate than all of yours, except Dave Greene, that's a brilliant choice for all the reasons you mention, as long as we're spitballing.
4. I am of two minds on exactly how much influence the church generally and the pope specifically have on American politics.
On the "little influence" side, Catholicism was waning in America steadily since probably the death of St. Fulton Sheen, and escalated precipitously with the child abuse scandals. Personally I was really disappointed in the Catholics that left the church over that, they clearly did not understand their own faith teaching. The philosophy and the people are two different things; a minority - a TINY, 4% minority - of priests of that generation being disgusting pedorapists existing, has nothing to do with a 2000 year old Tradition established by God Himself, fulfilling 2 or 3000 further years of tradition and prophecy, the history of which is CHOCK FULL of gigantic assholes who did horrible things. The weak minded faggots who dropped their faith in the wake of that scandal, are both the same people who had no problem with this faith that followed on from King David banging a dude's wife and then setting that guy up to get killed in a cover-up op, no problem with the same faith that lead a defensive genocide op for 2 or 300 years in the late Middle Ages, the same faith that had a history of genociding neighbor civs in the Levant from ancient times through the modern century, the same faith that was riddled with incest across the Old Testament, the same organization that had open grift with indulgences, buying and selling offices, secret or even openly married priests with children in the Renaissance... These bad people come and go. God is here forever. But oohhh no, these twat waffles suddenly have an issue with a rash of pedorapists in this couple decades, time to ditch God and the church! These are the same faggots who think all they have to do is vote in a different president or pope and that'll just fix everything. How can you apply that "just throw the bums out" logic to democracy, but not to the church? But I suppose that sort of myopic and weak faith defines who would be leaving the church over that as a tautology.
Sorry, got carried away there. Back to the plot, with the exception of St. Pope JP II, every other pope in the last 80 years as had less influence in American politics than the Queen of England, and she didn't even have a lot of pull in UK politics, as per Yarvin. They're mascots. Nobody listens to them.
On the "growing influence" side though, it's well known that presently, the Catholic Church is seeing a major comeback, converts coming in droves, especially among the young and the right wing. Sheer population growth does mean the leadership of this group will have at least some influence on a growing number of people. But I think the right wing element within this growth is going to buck the momentum on a liberal leader's influence anyway.
We saw that Pope Francis was very popular... but honestly, I think he was more popular in the *media* and pop culture than within the Catholic laity. I STRONGLY doubt he had much to do with the converting in droves, because that started considerably after he took office, and coincided much more with COVID lockdowns and trans mania, and perhaps I give it too much credit, but the Dimes Square/Alt Right/Yarvin slowly becoming mainstreamed right wing movements, all better coincide chronologically with the swelling conversion rates. All this in *spite* of Francis' popularity. He's really the best example, but further supporting evidence regarding the pope's influence in American politics or lack thereof can be found in Benedict's tenure. He was...not exactly right wing, but more shrewd and old school, he was the one who restored the reputation of the Latin mass (and of course inspired all these trad Cath hardliners to take up that cross), and even instituted all the anti-molester measures and practices in place today. The entire *promotion* (not "invention") of the term "grooming" for recognizing this behavior comes from his administration. (No, they didn't invent the term, but they codified practices for detecting it, preventing it, and distributed orders to implement these across the world, and the Boy Scouts and Dept of Ed took their cues from those orders, fun fact.) But you would think that for all he did to get the church heading in those based directions, that would've motivated the right wing part of returning and converting to RC, but no, he didn't have that much public influence. Probably because the media didn't particularly like Benedict.
And therein lies my point: The media has far more influence over the Catholic church and laity than the Pope, and downstream, more influence in Catholics' views of American politics. Which is pathetic, sad, an embarrassment to the faith, and exactly why we wound up with Leo in the first place. The white pill is that like Francis before him, there is still accelerating growth, including a large right wing portion, and I don't think it's attributable to Leo becoming pope. I think it has more overlap with why all these right wing populist parties are gaining influence across Europe. The whole world is sick of this Progressive shit, with right reason, and I think it's as simple as that.
You can be sure that we will use such an attempt to augment and entrench our power even more in this country.
Catholic America is coming
Why don't we have a Protestant Ayatollah of America?
Because mainline Protestantism is literally gay now
You know I don’t mean that shit. I mean Evangelical / Conservative. how about Doug Wilson?
Ok ok ok - the Episcopalians and Anglicans can stay. The rest shall be put to trial by catapult to Canada
Aren't Episcopalians the worst?
We do, it's the media and academia
That's retarded
I agree
Catholics for all their flaws don’t reject the concept of God’s authority or the bare concept of divine authority forthwith their actions, unlike W A S _P_ s.
Opposing this war is for the better.
Lol fuck the WASPs, I'm talking about Southern Evangelicals.
I've always thought Emeril Lagasse would make an excellent Pope.
I agree. Foreign influence shouldn’t get a pass because it’s Christian.
You rarely talk any sense whatsoever but I’m fully with you on this one
I'm a tradcath and care about this Pope's opinions as much as I care about Obamas, if, indeed, there is a difference. I knew an American pope woukd be a disaster.
Catholic tolerance has of course never made a lick of sense; try and talk about it and you get how-the-Boomer-got-his-spots narratives about how much prettier JFK was than Nixon, or whatever. Unfortunately the collapse of grand narratives under democratic conditions just enables freakazoid defector minority groups to exploit the majority ever more. It's not going to stop absent some kind of crisis point and revolutionary break and there's as yet no material basis for same.
What do you think of the Orange Order northern Irish Scottish plants Walt?
This was so good
High time for some ghibelline-maxxing