It’s incredible how women have objectively worse situational awareness in pretty much all circumstances but Kate thought explaining how women walk would prove a good analogy for why clients are too greedy and myopic when attempting to dictate contract terms. It’s their job to try to get as much as possible and their lawyers’ to walk them back, regardless of who’s male/female.
This interview is proof that America has an internal Hajnal line. While I am not sure where it ends in the west, it certainly includes Utah, and in the East, it ends at the northern border of Wisconsin.
That said, I found Kryptogal's assumptions regarding a horizontal society genuinely sad. It really is not her fault that we no longer live in the America of the late twentieth century. While living in places like suburban Utah or Nebraska can provide a simalcrum to some extent, even she sometimes suspects it isn't the real thing. There are so many people from her generation who want to believe ...
In conclusion, her desire for a fundamentally fair society is commendable. Generation X is truly in certain ways superior to what came after.
> Walt argues the 2010-era internet was the ideal scale
LOL no - 2010-era is when the endless "REASONS WHY WHITE PEOPLE GO EXTINCT AND THAT'S A GOOD THING" era plus when bullying girls liking Justin Bieber, 50 Shades of Gray and shit were so common.
Nobody knows "Make fun of girls liking smut and stuff with your own risk, if you don't let them fangirl and blushes reading smut you'll turn them all into lesbians" - after all New Atheism was over and changed into SJW, the early 2010s Internet nuked by Gamergate, etc - the culture changes for a reason
If you want to reduce Zoomer cognitive dysfunction you go to the HARDWARE, not SOFTWARE. Millennial childhood & teenage years were laptops and dumb phones, it actually is the thing that preserve cognitive functions more
> Walt wants WASPs to be more openly supremacist, Walt genuinely appreciates WASP civicmindedness
Disagree. Basically at this point WASPness & Aryan-ness means wokeism / being the wokest person ever. If you want to become true white supremacist you become hyper-woke basically
All the whole misogyny panic in Britain and "OI YOU GOT A LOICENSE FOR THAT MEME" shit is THE EXACT SAME VICTORIAN PURITANISM Britain exercised during 1800s and EVERY THEOCRACIES & DEEPLY RELIGIOUS SOCIETIES ACT THE EXACT SAME WAY, just different morality
Liberal-Progressive Modernity legitimately IS now the actual orthodoxy status quo in every step of the way, and if anything is THE new British Victorian puritanism and theocracy.
If anything:
Thing is about the Enlightenment is that the reason it won out over religion is because the Enlightenment was comparatively closer to the Trvth than religion.
Hobbesian metaphysics is more correct than Aristotelian, and so on
But the problem is that "Contemporary status hierarchies select for people who can handle contradiction quietly without incurring cognitive load" = Also does mean the Enlightenment and basically the entire liberalism as a meta-ideology has run its course.
Actual progress really does mean removing this delusion entirely
> How different is Walt from most guys?
Are you kidding me you are VERY different from most guys
> Kate argues men are idealistic and bound to abstractions
Agree with Kate here
> Is Walt ugly
Depends on your presentation lmfao
> Zoomers see 32 as ancient
Yes actually. In fact Millennials back then do that too online.
The Internet, modern life, city life etc is basically made for 20-somethings.
It's simple really: They have all the rights of an adult but not yet all the responsibilities of an adult
> Kate insists that beautiful virgin mormon Zoomettes can’t find a hubby
Interesting. Actually had I were born in America but retained my personality & fetish these are the types I want lmfao (I even remember Kate even say to me "You would do well with ex-mormon girls" lmfao)
> Afghanistan
You want a true libertarian society? It's actually pre-911 Afghanistan.
Afghanistan pre US invasion was practically a lolbertarian utopia. That's what actual minarchism, Ancapistan etc would gave you IRL.
The police and the state are practically nonexistent outside government buildings. Thus rural people in general fall back into a system of unwritten deals, anarchy, tribal laws and family ties.
Here's a serious elaboration of why war in Afghanistan fail
Thing is that the consequences of having a state so small it can't do anything is basically protection racket mafias.
Even to actually have big companies invest and more (companies if anything want stability), you have to establish monopoly on legal violence and create courts and state capacity, and thing is even this is not a trivial task (You would be surprised at how many states actually failed about this).
Plus, even the concept of private property (and its protection) is also inherently a state conception, and the complexities of navigating trade, corporate disputes, IP laws and the like really do mean you have to make complicated IP laws and more.
And corporations being too big actually can disturb this need.
So paradoxically, free markets rely on taxes and the state to remain "free".
Thus libertarianism is already bogus and pie-in-the-sky ideology, like Marxism.
(This isn't including market failures and more, which libertarians deny it exist but it actually does).
There's a reason:
- Every third world country escaping from poverty shithole are always pragmatic developmental state. Yes, all of them
The reason the US failed in Afghanistan is because of their (and everyone else's) total failure to understand the rural Afghan way of life. This is literally above EVERYTHING ELSE, all the other mistakes are trivial
Afghanistan is NOT a modern state by any means, like ever
Rolling back / freezing comms tech is much better by banning the Hardware rather than Software.
Your goal actually can be accomplished better by this:
You proposed 6 Acts:
- National Communications Stability Act (25-year moratorium on the public release of public-facing social media platforms, feed-based algorithmic consumer social products, large-scale dating apps, and immersive social-reputation systems)
- American Vitality Act (prohibit all commercial tube porn, AI-generated porn, deepfake sexual content, app-store distribution of porn, and all advertising or recommendation systems for pornographic material)
- National Courtship Hygiene Act (requiring all digital dating platforms to include longform profiles, delayed messaging, no infinite-stack design, no algorithmic desirability ranking, no frictionless rejection loops, and mandatory locality weighting)
- Executive Function Restoration Act (roll back the feed into a far lower-intensity mode with no infinite scroll, no opaque recommender systems, no engagement-maximizing short-video loops, limited daily exposure caps for minors, chronological feed defaults, strong friction for repost virality, and obligate platform transparency around ranking criteria)
- Protect Our Youth Act (bans unrestricted access to social platforms until the age of 18)
- Industrial Recalibration Act (aggressively subsidize and prestige-load industries that will reroute nerds from software development and the abstracted knowledge economy more generally into long-neglected industries rooted in embodied reality like energy, transit, rocketry, manufacturing, materials science, robotics, and civil engineering + Massively curb the endless capture of high-IQ male talent by adtech, social app optimization, porn tech, engagement analytics, and AI companionship and erotica using IRS)
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My recommendation:
a. Keep the Industrial Recalibration Act you propose
But for everything else, rather than banning the software and stuff, you ban the HARDWARE instead.
1. No smartphones and tablets for kids under 18 or 21. Criminalize that shit like selling underage alcohol or smoking, and this is deliberate.
If you want Internet connection, get a laptop or PC, and if you want communication, use dumb phones / feature phones. You may get feature phones / dumb phones with WhatsApp or equivalent, but that's it. No smartphones.
2. No smartphones and tablets at universities and military bases.
3. Corporations get tax cuts if they enforce this in their workplace.
Why?
Thing is being sucked to such Skinner's Box is a matter of addiction and it is a matter of that compulsive-impulsive "Imma check my phone" that is UNIQUELY addictive to smartphones the way dumb phones & laptops don't make you to do so.
That compulsive-impulsive Skinner's box is addictive and semi-subconscious, and the thing about Zoomer addiction and more is that they are drifted with this since being sentient is actually harder because all the energy is already used to consume brainrot.
However, laptops and PCs aren't as addictive. You need the conscious effort to set up your laptop (Take it from your bag, put it on the table, maybe plug it in, then turn on) - this being the default mode actually forces sentience.
This is also easier to enforce than targeting the software (Seriously, governments are RIDICULOUSLY bad at micromanaging software and stuff, especially since software is software and therefore easier to evade govt bans). Hardware is easier because the main question is: "Do you need actual conscious mental effort to start it?" Laptops & PCs do have that, but tablets and smartphones don't.
Also, this way you only need 2 Acts. Not 6. Remember, Congress can't even agree to raise its own salary in general, so
Also. Every Millennial ever online should remember the biggest lie of the Internet: "I have read the Terms and Agreements" and "I am over 18 years old" - which they always do all the time but somehow forget today.
Hardware restrictions are best enacted by securing the constitutionality and legal and foundations for private membership associations which ban smartphones. This technique could be used for Walt's other 6 anti-digital acts too. A "sword and shield" scenario would also make sense, in which small towns and private communities would exist in which smartphones were banned outright, and larger or more progressive jurisdictions like states or universities could enact Walt's anti-digital involution policies. In order for any of this to have national political viability, citizens need to see that the policies work on a small scale.
"Na Walt" - good one. Took me a minute.
It’s incredible how women have objectively worse situational awareness in pretty much all circumstances but Kate thought explaining how women walk would prove a good analogy for why clients are too greedy and myopic when attempting to dictate contract terms. It’s their job to try to get as much as possible and their lawyers’ to walk them back, regardless of who’s male/female.
Oral culture is real.
This interview is proof that America has an internal Hajnal line. While I am not sure where it ends in the west, it certainly includes Utah, and in the East, it ends at the northern border of Wisconsin.
That said, I found Kryptogal's assumptions regarding a horizontal society genuinely sad. It really is not her fault that we no longer live in the America of the late twentieth century. While living in places like suburban Utah or Nebraska can provide a simalcrum to some extent, even she sometimes suspects it isn't the real thing. There are so many people from her generation who want to believe ...
In conclusion, her desire for a fundamentally fair society is commendable. Generation X is truly in certain ways superior to what came after.
> Walt argues the 2010-era internet was the ideal scale
LOL no - 2010-era is when the endless "REASONS WHY WHITE PEOPLE GO EXTINCT AND THAT'S A GOOD THING" era plus when bullying girls liking Justin Bieber, 50 Shades of Gray and shit were so common.
Nobody knows "Make fun of girls liking smut and stuff with your own risk, if you don't let them fangirl and blushes reading smut you'll turn them all into lesbians" - after all New Atheism was over and changed into SJW, the early 2010s Internet nuked by Gamergate, etc - the culture changes for a reason
If you want to reduce Zoomer cognitive dysfunction you go to the HARDWARE, not SOFTWARE. Millennial childhood & teenage years were laptops and dumb phones, it actually is the thing that preserve cognitive functions more
> Walt wants WASPs to be more openly supremacist, Walt genuinely appreciates WASP civicmindedness
Disagree. Basically at this point WASPness & Aryan-ness means wokeism / being the wokest person ever. If you want to become true white supremacist you become hyper-woke basically
All the whole misogyny panic in Britain and "OI YOU GOT A LOICENSE FOR THAT MEME" shit is THE EXACT SAME VICTORIAN PURITANISM Britain exercised during 1800s and EVERY THEOCRACIES & DEEPLY RELIGIOUS SOCIETIES ACT THE EXACT SAME WAY, just different morality
Liberal-Progressive Modernity legitimately IS now the actual orthodoxy status quo in every step of the way, and if anything is THE new British Victorian puritanism and theocracy.
If anything:
Thing is about the Enlightenment is that the reason it won out over religion is because the Enlightenment was comparatively closer to the Trvth than religion.
Hobbesian metaphysics is more correct than Aristotelian, and so on
But the problem is that "Contemporary status hierarchies select for people who can handle contradiction quietly without incurring cognitive load" = Also does mean the Enlightenment and basically the entire liberalism as a meta-ideology has run its course.
Actual progress really does mean removing this delusion entirely
> How different is Walt from most guys?
Are you kidding me you are VERY different from most guys
> Kate argues men are idealistic and bound to abstractions
Agree with Kate here
> Is Walt ugly
Depends on your presentation lmfao
> Zoomers see 32 as ancient
Yes actually. In fact Millennials back then do that too online.
The Internet, modern life, city life etc is basically made for 20-somethings.
It's simple really: They have all the rights of an adult but not yet all the responsibilities of an adult
> Kate insists that beautiful virgin mormon Zoomettes can’t find a hubby
Interesting. Actually had I were born in America but retained my personality & fetish these are the types I want lmfao (I even remember Kate even say to me "You would do well with ex-mormon girls" lmfao)
> Afghanistan
You want a true libertarian society? It's actually pre-911 Afghanistan.
Afghanistan pre US invasion was practically a lolbertarian utopia. That's what actual minarchism, Ancapistan etc would gave you IRL.
The police and the state are practically nonexistent outside government buildings. Thus rural people in general fall back into a system of unwritten deals, anarchy, tribal laws and family ties.
Here's a serious elaboration of why war in Afghanistan fail
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCollege/comments/qoursn/what_were_the_exact_reasons_the_western//
Thing is that the consequences of having a state so small it can't do anything is basically protection racket mafias.
Even to actually have big companies invest and more (companies if anything want stability), you have to establish monopoly on legal violence and create courts and state capacity, and thing is even this is not a trivial task (You would be surprised at how many states actually failed about this).
Plus, even the concept of private property (and its protection) is also inherently a state conception, and the complexities of navigating trade, corporate disputes, IP laws and the like really do mean you have to make complicated IP laws and more.
And corporations being too big actually can disturb this need.
So paradoxically, free markets rely on taxes and the state to remain "free".
Thus libertarianism is already bogus and pie-in-the-sky ideology, like Marxism.
(This isn't including market failures and more, which libertarians deny it exist but it actually does).
There's a reason:
- Every third world country escaping from poverty shithole are always pragmatic developmental state. Yes, all of them
The reason the US failed in Afghanistan is because of their (and everyone else's) total failure to understand the rural Afghan way of life. This is literally above EVERYTHING ELSE, all the other mistakes are trivial
Afghanistan is NOT a modern state by any means, like ever
> roll back / freeze comms tech
I'll say this again:
Rolling back / freezing comms tech is much better by banning the Hardware rather than Software.
Your goal actually can be accomplished better by this:
You proposed 6 Acts:
- National Communications Stability Act (25-year moratorium on the public release of public-facing social media platforms, feed-based algorithmic consumer social products, large-scale dating apps, and immersive social-reputation systems)
- American Vitality Act (prohibit all commercial tube porn, AI-generated porn, deepfake sexual content, app-store distribution of porn, and all advertising or recommendation systems for pornographic material)
- National Courtship Hygiene Act (requiring all digital dating platforms to include longform profiles, delayed messaging, no infinite-stack design, no algorithmic desirability ranking, no frictionless rejection loops, and mandatory locality weighting)
- Executive Function Restoration Act (roll back the feed into a far lower-intensity mode with no infinite scroll, no opaque recommender systems, no engagement-maximizing short-video loops, limited daily exposure caps for minors, chronological feed defaults, strong friction for repost virality, and obligate platform transparency around ranking criteria)
- Protect Our Youth Act (bans unrestricted access to social platforms until the age of 18)
- Industrial Recalibration Act (aggressively subsidize and prestige-load industries that will reroute nerds from software development and the abstracted knowledge economy more generally into long-neglected industries rooted in embodied reality like energy, transit, rocketry, manufacturing, materials science, robotics, and civil engineering + Massively curb the endless capture of high-IQ male talent by adtech, social app optimization, porn tech, engagement analytics, and AI companionship and erotica using IRS)
-------------
My recommendation:
a. Keep the Industrial Recalibration Act you propose
But for everything else, rather than banning the software and stuff, you ban the HARDWARE instead.
1. No smartphones and tablets for kids under 18 or 21. Criminalize that shit like selling underage alcohol or smoking, and this is deliberate.
If you want Internet connection, get a laptop or PC, and if you want communication, use dumb phones / feature phones. You may get feature phones / dumb phones with WhatsApp or equivalent, but that's it. No smartphones.
2. No smartphones and tablets at universities and military bases.
3. Corporations get tax cuts if they enforce this in their workplace.
Why?
Thing is being sucked to such Skinner's Box is a matter of addiction and it is a matter of that compulsive-impulsive "Imma check my phone" that is UNIQUELY addictive to smartphones the way dumb phones & laptops don't make you to do so.
That compulsive-impulsive Skinner's box is addictive and semi-subconscious, and the thing about Zoomer addiction and more is that they are drifted with this since being sentient is actually harder because all the energy is already used to consume brainrot.
However, laptops and PCs aren't as addictive. You need the conscious effort to set up your laptop (Take it from your bag, put it on the table, maybe plug it in, then turn on) - this being the default mode actually forces sentience.
This is also easier to enforce than targeting the software (Seriously, governments are RIDICULOUSLY bad at micromanaging software and stuff, especially since software is software and therefore easier to evade govt bans). Hardware is easier because the main question is: "Do you need actual conscious mental effort to start it?" Laptops & PCs do have that, but tablets and smartphones don't.
Also, this way you only need 2 Acts. Not 6. Remember, Congress can't even agree to raise its own salary in general, so
Also. Every Millennial ever online should remember the biggest lie of the Internet: "I have read the Terms and Agreements" and "I am over 18 years old" - which they always do all the time but somehow forget today.
Restrict the hardware. It's easier.
Hardware restrictions are best enacted by securing the constitutionality and legal and foundations for private membership associations which ban smartphones. This technique could be used for Walt's other 6 anti-digital acts too. A "sword and shield" scenario would also make sense, in which small towns and private communities would exist in which smartphones were banned outright, and larger or more progressive jurisdictions like states or universities could enact Walt's anti-digital involution policies. In order for any of this to have national political viability, citizens need to see that the policies work on a small scale.